I think we should just go with "Starfleet (Earth)" since AFAIK it was only referred to as just "Starfleet" in ENT. Plus, the standard Starfleet article doesn't have "Federation" or "UFP" or anything of the sort as a prefix.
Well, Memory Alpha has them as one article, Memory Beta splits them into "Federation Starfleet" (with a redirect from "Starfleet") and "United Earth Starfleet."
If MA has it as one article, we can leave it be. If we do split, I'd rather use the proper name for United Earth Starfleet at least, rather than a disambiguation in parenthesis, which should really only be used if we don't have another choice.
I'm trying my best to create these articles but it seems the only fanon sources we have are an anime crossover and a High School Musical crossover. I almost feel like re-canonizing AbramsTrek in the REM universe just to have something else to add to those articles.
It seems like some articles had fanon info in the past which was removed. For example, Penthara IV previously had fanon info but (and I still don't understand why he did it) Jay removed all of the Swiftfire info from a ton of pages.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why he did that either. He's got his own Swiftfire wiki he's working on, and it seems like he's restructuring his series, so... whatever, I guess.
Only thing I might suggest about the template... could it be a little smaller? It kinda hits you right in the face when you load an article. Doesn't need to be quite as obstrusive as "red alert" messages like "Speedydelete". No biggie either way I guess.
I really wish he hadn't done that. While I completely understand the desire to work outside of the constraints of this wiki (especially since there is a lot of random stuff here lacking in quality) it's quite disruptive to suddenly uproot a series that had such a significant presence.
I'd say leave them as two separate articles. Aside from the few canonical ones, and the Hundred, I'm sure there are plenty of Changelings in fandom that aren't Founders.
Nope. Hoping to make something to go on those pages, something like {{Template:Existence}}. I really suck at the coding, though. Trying to figure it out.
I've made an edit to it that greatly simplifies the template in order to bring it in line with the other navigation templates. Tell me what you think and revert it if need be.
Alright, I've split the fan continuity governments into their own section and added some more governments. I'd say this thing is ready to be put to use. It can be further edited when needed.
I'm wondering if the template should be restricted to governments specifically. What do you think?
Yeah, I was mainly thinking governments only, but we don't know the name of the Kzinti government for example. It's been called the Kzinti Hegemony sometimes and the Kzinti Patriarchy at others. Then there's older races like the Preservers and Progenitors who were galaxy-spanning civilizations, but we don't know what they called their government, if anything.
I think the template should include anything that's at least as big as a few star systems. If it's a single planet "empire" that annexes a neighboring system, I don't think that's big enough.
Also, I'm not sure about things like the United Earth and Andorian Empire. They aren't defunct. They're the planetary governments that joined the Federation.
They're not defunct, though. They still exist. The United Earth is still the planetary government of Earth, the Vulcan Confederacy is still the planetary government of Vulcan, etc. They didn't stop to exist when they joined the UFP, just like the US and the UK still exist even though they're members of the United Nations.
Well, let me put it to you this way: what if we define it as powers having influence on the galaxy? Since they're no longer independent, their authority is delegated to the Federation. Ergo, they should be listed as defunct.
Either that or we need to add a new category to the template to list United Earth, the Andorian Empire, etc. etc.
The High Command ceased to exist during the fourth season of Enterprise. It's explicitly stated to have been disbanded in "Kir'shara." There's no canonical name for the present Vulcan government. Check out Memory Beta for some options, but there's nothing definitive as far as canon is concerned, and like many such things, different fan sources may use different names.
I ask because ENT: "United" mentioned the High Command as still in operation.
As for extra-galactical powers, IDK. The template does say Milky Way powers. I think we should leave it that way. After all, 99% of Trek does take place in the MW and we do have template size concerns to worry about.
Take a look at it now and see what you think. Given how significant the Archein and Kelvan and races from other galaxies can be in their respective fictions, it seemed appropriate to me. But if you'd really rather not, we can take it back out.
Also, seeing this makes me realize that there's a lot of stuff on here that people haven't edited for the better part of the last five years. I wish there was an easier way to clean that stuff up.
Understood. At least most of it is sourced stuff, so it's legit, even if the authors aren't working on their projects any more. As for clean up... yeah, we can tackle that down the road as we have time.
Hopefully we can drum up some more editors... it's been far too quiet around here for far too long.
Do you really consider the Bajorans a galactic power? They've got a couple of colonies, but they're hardly an interstellar empire... unless I'm missing something...
Bajor itself is strategically important because of where it's located and because of the wormhole, but the Bajorans themselves are not a galactic power. If they meet the criteria, then we might as well put Halka or Ghioghe on the template because of the importance of their dilithium reserves. This is for powerful, interstellar governments
Yeah, but the Halkans didn't feature in an entire series. The Bajorans did. I think they warrant inclusion as a special case. Furthermore, recall that earlier you said that governments that span multiple systems count. Bajor did colonize other systems (or annex Bajoran refugee colonies post-occupation) which I think fits that criterion.
The fact that they were the focus of Deep Space Nine the series is immaterial. I can't think of a good, in-universe reason to include them in a list of "interstellar powers." Yes, they have a couple of offworld colonies, but they don't claim multiple star systems or sectors of space as their own. They're still an infant planetary government struggling in the aftermath of the occupation.
At this point, I would say put it up to a vote, but I'm not sure if there's anyone else around but you and me lol...
Because it's inaccurate, because it's misleading, and because it looks rather silly to have a "provisional" planetary government listed among interstellar empires and galactic commonwealths.
Would Earth warrant a place there if we'd only just colonized Alpha Centauri? I don't think so.
Shouldn't the groups like the Krenim and the Devore have their governments listed separately? If not, I don't think they should be listed on the template. I think it should be restricted solely to major governments.
The governments are significant enough to be listed on the template, and if you look at the articles, right now, they cover both government and species.
Ok, well, I'm curious about ones like the Alsurans and the Krenim, since they don't look like they are linked to by any articles other than the ones on the template. Whenever I've been adding articles from the wanted pages list, I've been making sure to add a fanon section. Should those ones be included if they don't have fanon info? I think we should just leave them out and re-add them if they get some kind of fanon info.
I know there's plenty of fanfic out there dealing with the Krenim, for example. We just don't have any here yet. The articles aren't doing any harm, and they'll have fanon data eventually. I put them on the template because I knew about them, and I'll probably go hunt down some fan data to include.
You know, stuff like this is why we could really use some more editors. It's almost as if this is a two-man operation here, and it's kind of hard to come to a consensus on matters when you and I disagree...
With things like this, it's stuff I know is out there, but I'm not that well-versed in. I do know it exists, so I'm putting in the framework. Then I, or other editors, know to look for it. Having the Vegan Tyrrany redlinked in Wantedpages for a while isn't a bad thing, really.
Also, you included the Typhon Pact. Should we include alliances of major powers on the template or leave them to their own template? If we do, then the Khitomer Accords need to be added as well.
If they're going to be included on the template, the alliances of major powers (like the Federation Alliance during the Dominion War) should be in their own section.
I know, but depending on *how* I add the category, I may not see if it does have a default set or not. I can't check that if I'm just doing it by the "add category" button at the bottom, dude.
Yeah, they do, and I was planning on writing a separate page for quantum reality, but then I saw it was already fairly covered in the parallel universe article, which already had "quantum reality" bolded like an alternate title.
Since parallel universes exist as quantum realities, and parallel universe is the older, more commonly-used term, I figured we could just use the one page until we had enough reason to separate them. Unless you have something else in mind? --TimPendragonAdm • Hail 20:46, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'm trying to figure something out, since I'm sure you've noticed that I've been working on clearing entries off of the wanted pages list, as I figured having a stub (which can be expanded on) for something like Chancellor of the Klingon High Council was better than no article at all, so I guess once I do figure it out I can change it.
Also, when you create an article that's in the top ten most wanted, don't forget to remove it from Template:Unwritten and add a new one to the end of the template.
Ok, after looking over the MA article, I get it now. "Quantum reality" describes the collection of all possible realities - i.e. all of the parallel universes. The parallel universes are part of the quantum reality.
Not really... The collection of all parallel universes would be the "multiverse."
Basically, "quantum reality" and "parallel universe" are two terms for the same thing. We live in a particular quantum reality, and other quantum realities are parallel universes to ours.
Also, for templates like Template:EnterpriseOfficersNCC1701 and Template:EnterpriseOfficersNCC1701D, I've changed the red links to direct links to MA. AFAIK, those red-linked articles have no fanon info so until they get some, they don't need to be redlinks taking up space on the wanted pages list.
